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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 12:14:00 -
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I think setting a BS up to specificly target frigates is asking for trouble.
1. A BS even with a MWD doesn't have the speed to keep up with a frigate that doesn't want to come within web range. True you may get him scrambled but until you are able to slow him enough to get him webbed he will not come close.
2.Drones are a good defence against frigates but not much good for offence, again its all about speed and being able to hold a frigate down while the drones close and crush.
3. Nosferatu's, good defence as the frigate will not be able to hold orbit at anything under 20k and maintain AB or MWD for long without losing cap. But once the frigate pilot see's the red stream he will be on his way out of range before the burner Cycle finish's. These work as offensive when the ship can't freely move in and out of range.
4. Fitting small or medium weapons on a BS will leave you open to getting hit by BS. You will only be combat effective at hitting frigates which will most likely be able to escape if getting hit too much.
Just my opinion but I would leave cruisers(second choice) and frigates to deal with offensivly taking on frigates. BS should concentrate on having heavy firepower to deal with larger ships and only take defensive precausions against frigates attacking them.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 12:14:00 -
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I think setting a BS up to specificly target frigates is asking for trouble.
1. A BS even with a MWD doesn't have the speed to keep up with a frigate that doesn't want to come within web range. True you may get him scrambled but until you are able to slow him enough to get him webbed he will not come close.
2.Drones are a good defence against frigates but not much good for offence, again its all about speed and being able to hold a frigate down while the drones close and crush.
3. Nosferatu's, good defence as the frigate will not be able to hold orbit at anything under 20k and maintain AB or MWD for long without losing cap. But once the frigate pilot see's the red stream he will be on his way out of range before the burner Cycle finish's. These work as offensive when the ship can't freely move in and out of range.
4. Fitting small or medium weapons on a BS will leave you open to getting hit by BS. You will only be combat effective at hitting frigates which will most likely be able to escape if getting hit too much.
Just my opinion but I would leave cruisers(second choice) and frigates to deal with offensivly taking on frigates. BS should concentrate on having heavy firepower to deal with larger ships and only take defensive precausions against frigates attacking them.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:11:00 -
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All these load outs are all well and good in theory but I see nobody who says they will work. I think fitting a BS or even advising this guy to concider it is just showing him the road to PODington.
The first BS he comes across will eat him alive and his frigate friend will be watching and laughing.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:11:00 -
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All these load outs are all well and good in theory but I see nobody who says they will work. I think fitting a BS or even advising this guy to concider it is just showing him the road to PODington.
The first BS he comes across will eat him alive and his frigate friend will be watching and laughing.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:24:00 -
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 Originally by: NTRabbit
He stated that his anti-frigate platform was going to be protecting a larger group of his friends battleships from a frigate/interceptor assault; this in turn implies that they will be fitted out to take on battleships, and will be able to protect him from them. Mutual support y'see.
Y'see, yes I do but he is asking if its viable or should he use smaller ships. A BS in a frigate attack mode will not be effective unless the frigate gets too close. In that case a group of BS should be able to co-ordinate to fend off a few frigates anyway. Taking away the BS most offensive capabilities in favour of medium or small guns will only lessen the effectiveness of his ship to most other situations, in more way that it will benefit.
Why not just use a frigate or cruiser which is a lot cheaper, quicker and can perform the role better and not be so much of a sitting duck.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: NTRabbit
He stated that his anti-frigate platform was going to be protecting a larger group of his friends battleships from a frigate/interceptor assault; this in turn implies that they will be fitted out to take on battleships, and will be able to protect him from them. Mutual support y'see.
Y'see, yes I do but he is asking if its viable or should he use smaller ships. A BS in a frigate attack mode will not be effective unless the frigate gets too close. In that case a group of BS should be able to co-ordinate to fend off a few frigates anyway. Taking away the BS most offensive capabilities in favour of medium or small guns will only lessen the effectiveness of his ship to most other situations, in more way that it will benefit.
Why not just use a frigate or cruiser which is a lot cheaper, quicker and can perform the role better and not be so much of a sitting duck.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:43:00 -
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OK lets forget the hypothetical load outs, who out of all who has posted would use a frigate kill load out as oppose to thier usual load out on a BS?
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:43:00 -
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OK lets forget the hypothetical load outs, who out of all who has posted would use a frigate kill load out as oppose to thier usual load out on a BS?
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
Y'see, yes I do but he is asking if its viable or should he use smaller ships. A BS in a frigate attack mode will not be effective unless the frigate gets too close.
The frigates will get close, their job is usually to warp scramble enemy battleships.
I don't know of any frigate that can stay far away and deal lots of damage since they fixed the cruise missile issue.
OK so whats your point? At 19k I could warp scramble this frigate killing BS for 20+ seconds and move out of the 20k range for that time while my big brother and his fully fitted BS comes and kicks his @ss. If in this type of scenario why would a frig want to get any closer to do damage its not his job.
In a fleet I could do the same to his buddies just as well as him, and as in fleet battles you will not be seeing damage dealing frigates in any large ammount. Thier main job is to scramble targets.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
Y'see, yes I do but he is asking if its viable or should he use smaller ships. A BS in a frigate attack mode will not be effective unless the frigate gets too close.
The frigates will get close, their job is usually to warp scramble enemy battleships.
I don't know of any frigate that can stay far away and deal lots of damage since they fixed the cruise missile issue.
OK so whats your point? At 19k I could warp scramble this frigate killing BS for 20+ seconds and move out of the 20k range for that time while my big brother and his fully fitted BS comes and kicks his @ss. If in this type of scenario why would a frig want to get any closer to do damage its not his job.
In a fleet I could do the same to his buddies just as well as him, and as in fleet battles you will not be seeing damage dealing frigates in any large ammount. Thier main job is to scramble targets.
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